Nikhil Kamath and Dario Amodei / Handout
Zerodha co-founder Nikhil Kamath spoke with Anthropic chief executive officer Dario Amodei on the future of artificial intelligence, focusing on biotech, data, and governance.
Speaking on Kamath’s People by WTF podcast, Amodei said artificial intelligence could significantly accelerate scientific discovery in healthcare and biotechnology.
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“I’m positive on biotech. I think biotech is about to have a renaissance… ultimately driven by AI,” he said.
Amodei said AI-enabled optimization could expand the scope of peptide-based therapies and cell-based treatments such as CAR-T, allowing faster experimentation and design in biological systems.
He said the convergence of artificial intelligence and biology could become one of the most consequential applications of AI. “My instinct is we’re about to cure a lot of diseases,” he said, while noting the need for responsible development as capabilities advance.
The conversation also examined the changing role of data in AI development. Amodei said reinforcement learning environments and synthetic data generation are becoming increasingly important in training advanced models.
“When you train on math or coding environments, you’re not really getting data… you’re creating the data,” he said, adding that “dynamic data that the model creates itself… is becoming more important.”
While data remains relevant, particularly for language models and enterprise use cases, Amodei said iterative learning and environment-based training could reduce the long-term dominance of large, static datasets as a competitive advantage in AI development.
Kamath and Amodei also discussed usability challenges as AI tools expand beyond technical users. Amodei said effective use of AI systems requires hands-on practice, comparing prompt design to learning a musical instrument. “There’s a learning curve,” he said. “You mostly learn by doing.”
The discussion touched on regulatory and geopolitical factors shaping AI deployment. Amodei referred to data localization requirements in Europe, saying such policies could influence how AI infrastructure is deployed globally, including greater reliance on regionally distributed data centers.
The episode concluded with a discussion on AI governance, including concerns about the concentration of power among frontier AI developers and the need for oversight as artificial intelligence becomes more central to scientific, economic, and social systems.
People by WTF is a podcast hosted by Nikhil Kamath, featuring long-form conversations with leaders across business, technology, policy, culture, and academia.
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